对于大多数中国观众而言(也包括我)该片恐怕彻底改变了对美国2016年大选的看法——立场倒是其次,主要是实在太复杂了。
首先理一理本文中的各个组织势力:
科米领导的FBI,从属于司法部,直接向司法部副部长汇报。负责国内警务,反恐,间谍调查,政府渎职等。局长由总统直接委任,任期十年。由于调查项目可能涉及政府,所以习惯上会与总统及其政党保持距离(避嫌)。科米本人是共和党人,这个特点反而使得他被奥巴马提名担任局长。
司法部,FBI的上级部门,起将FBI的调查结果规制化然后呈交给总统作为参考的作用。自己也可以命令FBI要做、或不要做什么事。
以上两个部门的目的基本上都是为了履行自己的职责,并维护自己部门地位的独立性(独立性不仅是保护调查者和法律尊严,也是保护被调查者)
川普的竞选团队,目的是赢得大选,被俄罗斯主动接触,被告知了邮件门的存在。
希拉里的竞选团队,目的也是赢得大选,发生邮件门错在先。在大选前现任总统奥巴马也算是这个团队的成员。
然后直接从竞选开始讲:
大选开始16个月前
希拉里使用私人服务器存储公务邮件事件曝光,司法部要求FBI立案调查。希拉里方面为应对调查采取了两个策略:1-聘请明星律师团拖延FBI进度;2-提交了在任国务卿时候使用的电子设备。由于这些设备是希拉里自己提交的,被清理过,所以其实在里面不会找到任何涉密或者可以定罪的信息。
大选开始15个月前
FBI发现了俄罗斯开始在社交媒体平台上发一些和希拉里有关的震惊体文章,如希拉里和列侬有一腿;得了艾滋病等。时任FBI副局长马克认为他们想破坏希拉里的选举,但无法确定为什么,这点消息也不足以立案。
大选开始前9个月
科米的得力干将,副局长马克24个月任满离职,这段时间FBI基本都在详细调查希拉里的邮件门。临走前嘱咐说分了总部分了太多的精力调查邮件事件,这很危险,一定要小心俄罗斯方面。在科米打了哈哈过去之后有跑去找了继任副局长安迪,后者也没太上心(事实上剧中表现来看安迪的能力比马克差了很多,他和科米一样都没什么政治嗅觉)。马克临走前只能无奈地说:照顾好老大。
与此同时,川普竞选团队中的成员开始频繁和俄罗斯官方接触,以期来自其的帮助。
2016年6月6日
俄罗斯代表团直接来了川普大厦,双方在这里谈了一桩交易——俄罗斯用自己的方式帮助川普当选,川普政权承诺一系列上台后的举措。
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剧拍的不错,体现了美式价值观,真真假假掺杂在一起可以完美的重塑、替换不明观者的印象。 关于邮件门:1最初的不起诉决定,阿桑奇的wj解密曝光了一部分,但因这部分的取得方式问题,不能作为证据;2.真实的重启调查背景,2016.10.28有人曝光被删除的邮件可以通过合法途径在NSA自己的spy could上获取,然后FBI被迫重新组建了调查团队。 剧中的部分事实:1.克林顿确实在机场同司法部长林奇会面,之后不久FBI停止了调查;2.韦纳的电脑,他是希里幕僚长的丈夫,因因向未成年人发送色情短信被FBI调查,随后此案转交纽约警局,发现在电脑中的被删除邮件(真实情况是部分被删除邮件),剧中FBI以此重启调查后,再次决定不起诉。 本剧之外的1.邮件门之前阿桑奇已经被厄瓜多尔驻英使馆庇护,2018厄英双方达成协议,随后阿桑奇被英方逮捕,再之后消失于新闻媒体中;2.邮件门中有很多不明原因死亡的相关人员,比如把部分邮件给wj的民主党数据主管Seth Rich被枪杀,后以持枪抢劫结案;3换届之后两党开始对邮件门和通俄门降温,直到本次大选前虽有重提,但都很有分寸,尖锐程度不及2016。
Where law ends, tyranny begins.
In governance there are people who do the work, and there are showboats.
Politicians are awful.
Money is nice, stopping bad guys is better.
If you’re not happy, leave. There’s plenty of people that want your job.
You can’t run this place if you mind being resented.
If you’ve been doing this for ten years, and a president asks you to stay on for another two, say no.
I expect you to work hard because you owe that to the taxpayer. I expect you to exercise good judgment. Being here means you have the power to do good, or, if you abuse that power, great harm. I expect you to find joy in your work. You are part of an organization devoted to doing good, protecting the weak, rescuing the taken, and catching criminals. That is work with moral content. Doing it should be a source of great joy. And I expect you to protect this institution’s reservoir of trust and credibility, which makes possible all of our work. I expect you to fight for balance in your lives. You are all driven by our mission, and you are used to absorbing stress. That means you need more time with your loved ones, not less. So I order you to love someone, It’s the right thing to do. It’s also good for you. Crime in any form makes people feel powerless. Let’s fix that.
Did she mishandle classified information by using her personal e-mail system while serving as Secretary of State ? We’re looking for “corrupt purpose.” Did Secretary Clinton knowingly break the law either by using a personal e-mail server to handle classified information while serving at State, or by directing the deletion of e-mails from that server ?
Whatever this investigation yields, history will look at what we do here through a microscope, so our work needs to be letter-perfect. No leaks, everything buttoned down. We cannot cut corners, cannot screw this up in any way.
Trump? He’s an idiot. But he’s a man. And male voters are gender-loyal in a way that women aren’t.
The Trump supporters see Trump as political chemo. He may be toxic, he may kill every healthy cell in the bloodstream, but he is the only cure for the cancer that is Washington.
Everyone’s got an opinion, and the right to voice it.
I’d ask you to assess three things: the accuracy of the facts laid out in the draft, any policy or other limitations around making such a statement, and the wisdom and mechanics of presenting it to the American people.
Conventional wisdom might mitigate against it. But this is not a conventional circumstance. What I’m thinking is grand juries are secret for a reason. We don’t comment on the propriety of a subject’s conduct, especially during an election year. If the country ever starts to distrust the Bureau’s intentions, it’s a bell that can never be unrung.
And you remember that next time somebody tells you this country can’t be its best self. Or the law doesn’t matter. That jury did right anyway.
What if we announce and then don’t find anything? What if we don’t announce and then find criminal intent?
Down that road lies the death of the FBI as an independent force in American life. If I ever start considering whose political fortunes might be affected by a decision even for a second, we’re done. I know you believe in telling the truth. But there are all kinds of truths out there. That’s intelligence but it’s a truth. Concealing one truth and publicly announcing another is selective honesty. I told Congress and the country that this case was closed. If that’s revealed to be a lie, how would they ever believe us again?
I think norms and policies matter. And I think Direct Comey believes that his own ethics are now worth more than the norms that have always steered us.
You came here to do good. You’ve all made sacrifices to keep that promise. You stay up late working on a summation to explain why a drug dealer or child pornographer is guilty. You chase materials to organize court exhibits that some yo-yo from the Bureau mislabeled. And you shrug pleasantly when people speak of the “awesome resources of the federal government,” as you eye the fancy supplies at a law firm and think about swiping some stuff to take back to your office. Despite obstacles, you do the work. You protect people. That’s noble. What makes that work possible is a reservoir of trust and credibility, a reservoir that was built for us and filled for us by those who went before us in this work, many of whom we never knew. Our obligation is to protect that reservoir, to keep it full or make it fuller, for those who will follow us into public service. The problem with reservoirs is that it’s hard to fill them and one tiny hole can drain them. And that’s what happens if our vigilance fails, if, even for a second, we ever put anything--politics, partisanship-- above the primacy of truth and justice. I love the Bureau. I love its mission. That guides me every day, in everything I do. And if it leads me to make mistakes, I know they’ll be honest ones.
The boss gets absolute power, absolute loyalty, and no one outside the inner circle counts. My soul should burn if I ever betray Cosa Nostra. Ours is an apolitical culture.
The country needs to know that the FBI is completely divorced from politics.
You ever start to feel shaky, go outside and look at the buildings up and down Pennsylvania Avenue. They’ve been there a long time. And they’re gonna be here a long time. Because what they represent is eternal-- institutions, the rule of law, no matter who is in power.
Law alone can give us freedom.
The job is about protecting people. Every decision comes back to that. Everything the entire department does will run through this office, so you need to be at your best. You need to eat well, exercise, get enough sleep. You need to be with your family to recharge yourself. That goes for all of your staff as well. Try to get out of the office by 6, 6:30 every night, because no one will leave before you do, and you want them spending time with their loved ones.
Workaholics make soulless choices.
Leaders like that throw you back to first principles, you just have to keep remembering what they are.
Every one of you is personally responsible for protecting the American people and upholding the Constitution of the United States. The FBI’s values are bigger than any single person, so it’s the same mission no matter who’s running it.
Because they’ve always been here. Doesn’t matter who the president is, which party is in power. The institutions, the rule of law. Nothing ever knocks them down.
2017年6月8日,美国联邦调查局(FBI)前局长科米在参议院情报委员会听证会上作证,直斥白宫“充斥着谎言和诋毁”。“维基解密”始创人阿桑奇揶揄科米,称他是“情报界的艳星”。中央情报局(CIA)前特工斯诺登则为科米辩护,称泄密有时“无可厚非”。
他还在洛克希德马丁公司这个著名军火商处供职过,所欲美国政客的双手沾满人民的献血不是假话。
川普当选之后,得罪可能不仅仅是希拉里,还包括整个好莱坞,尤其是好莱坞的女性演员们。美国的政治,我们一直弄不懂,川普得罪了这么多人,还是感到意外。
好莱坞可以说是扛起了反对川普的大旗,几乎涉及政治的影视剧,都不忘对川普嘲讽。当然,在极尽手段嘲讽川普的同时,对民主党也不是一味好感。《傲骨之战》里只要出现民主党的人,这段剧情就看不下去了,拖拖拉拉,不知道在讲什么。
川普当年击败希拉里,当选美国总统,隔着太平洋,我们都能感受到美国精英层幽怨的情绪。各种版本的传说就开始在世界流传起来了,尤其是“八卦”之国的中国,更在川普彻底得罪中国人之后,热度从来就没有削减过。
当然希拉里失败的一个重要导火线就是“邮件门”事件,至今依然蒙上一层薄薄的迷雾,为什么说是薄薄的,而非厚厚的,就是希拉里在邮件门事件中并非是无辜的,而为什么成为谜案,原因在于爆发邮件门的同时,俄罗斯这个美国人难以克制想象的假想敌总是伴随着美国政治,所以这个事件就被民主党定义为导致其失败的原因。总结来总结去,能够抓住的事件,也就这件事情了。
问题在于当年的FBI局长还是奥巴马任命的,至于说当年的FBI是否存在私心一直存在争议。问题在于后来也没有妥协于川普,被川普开了,可见这件事情孰对孰错更难定义。
这部美剧就是基于这个大背景。
可能因为涉及的事件很敏感,甚至难以给予结论,尤其是在美国新一轮大选期间。所以,最终把锅还是甩给了俄罗斯人。
作为政治题材的作品,整体质量与内容还是不错的,算是优秀的一部剧。前提是,你首先需要了解下这部剧当年的一些事件的背景,可能帮助你消化一些剧中的信息。
导演在剧集里面一面极力给观众展现中立性,给观众自己评判意图,一边又巧妙用科米每次和特朗普新政府内阁成员会面时,对方都会介绍一下特大大室内装饰很有品味和水平的含意是佩服之至。回头再看看自家这些圈养的导演们猴年马月才有这样水准,这样不显山漏水的嘲讽,我不相信那些沈茶们能看懂啊!圈养里面或许有它们不敢,当然还有种可能就是完全不看圈养们拍的。
Comey前后有点割裂。前面处理2016大选的方式其实有很大问题,至少是客观上威胁到选举结果公正性,恐怕并不能简单用坚持原则带过去。后面面对T倒是多有变通,好在没跨过红线留得晚节。总体给人感觉有点失焦,他离职部分的大篇幅难不成是要强调Dir Comey风评极佳备受爱戴?可这也不是higher loyalty啊,和坚持原则其实扯不上。剧本离Comey个人PR show一步之遥。演员选角不错,两任总统都印象深刻。配角也保持相当水准。布景有点偏科幻极简风,估计和FBI真实情况出入不小。不过也算是艺术美化吧。理想主义者的悲歌,故事挺好看。PS 希望很快有人拍Lt Col Vindman,绝对精彩。
现在拜登当选,再回头看这个片基本就是预见了了现在的现实
在结尾处,主创借角色之口表达了他们的信念和希望:无论总统是谁,美国的制度和法治是不可动摇的。但对于当下的美国而言,比起总统怎么了,手握选票的美国人民到底怎么了,或许才是一个更加深远的问题。列奥·施特劳说过,“(民主)政治的难题就在于要调和对于智慧的要求和对于同意的要求。”看起来,这个难题从没有像如今这么困难过。
主要是觉得现在复盘这件事还太早。
你的发言会产生政治后果…
US还是很厉害的!做影视没生在us还是很遗憾的。这部片在showtime播放的当下,Comey又被听证会质询了几个小时。真是有趣...原因很简单,现任fbi局长公布的调查结果有人不满意。这个片子最末是说,华盛顿的楼还在,宪法还在,胡佛开始建立的机制还在,权利会更迭,一个强大的三权分立下的机构是无法被摧毁的。fbi网站可以下到comey的memo,他那本书也很好找。comey的采访很多,听证会也是全程都能看到,想进一步了解许多事情,特别的容易。db的装货太多了,有些短评太好笑。
极度丑化川普其实就直接反映了白左的极度恶心,近期的美大选更是一览无余的展现了民主党控制的白左们的恶劣丑态!美国人支持共和党,支持川普连任的才是明智之举!ps,4星是电影本身
严格来说,科米是个职业官僚,他不是政治家,所以他在处理希拉里和川普的事情上除了脑子里的共和党因素稍微作怪了一下,整体而言还算公正。但川普这样一个口若悬河,极端话语脱口而出的总统实在是击穿了所有人的下限,包括科米。这也正是为什么我不希望这家伙连任的原因,一个政治家嘴里怎么说和心理怎么想和具体怎么做是三件事。所以他想极端和做极端可能都不是太大的问题,但天天嘴上没把门的把思想传输给普通民众那就有问题了。普通民众一旦接受,继而信仰,最终实施,乌合之众如此而已。纵观人类历史,极左和极右对普通民众都不是什么好事,但极左一般折腾自己人,极右可是折腾全世界人啊。
两个字,好看。羡慕。佩服人家能出这样的剧。
好莱坞这帮白左还是对川普当选耿耿于怀,仅仅对邮件门的调查是不可能让希拉里败选的,而川普所谓通俄门,在2020年经过民主党鸡蛋里挑骨头且抹黑式的弹劾案调查后还是不了了之 ,民主党的白左精英在移民.反恐.拥枪.堕胎.言论.人伦.环保.福利.税收的反常识行为让很多拥有传统价值观的人深恶痛绝!粗辱且口无遮拦的政治素人川普拒绝一切政治正确,说出了很多人心里想却不敢说出的话,希拉里和民主党的失败源自于自身的虚伪和傲慢,跟这部剧所里虚构想象出的邮件门和通俄门剧情一毛关系都没有,经过这四年民主党白左在政治正确上依然一意孤行,也助力了川普2020年必将连任!
演员没有演出懂王的自恋,粗鲁无礼以及故作搞笑的姿态
HBO的一大问题是,每次拍这种改编剧总容易把主角搞成立场坚定、人畜无害、较为小白的部级高官,Too big to fail里的鲍尔森,这次的科米,你当这些情报头子和金融头子是什么善茬儿么?不过Jeff Daniels这几年真是演遍美帝高干,这次演FBI局长,上次《巨塔杀机》演FBI的部门头子,之前《火星救援》演NASA的局长......真局长专业户
献给FBI的一曲赞歌。希拉里也是让人生气,当惯了特权阶级,不配合,不认错,盛气凌人。她落选的时候,还怪奥巴马不能阻止FBI的调查,凭什么干涉司法调查啊?她以为她是谁?里面有个女工作人员说希拉里一直以来都被人告诉她多么聪明,以至于她认为基本规则对她不适用,特别贴切。本来调查了,也可能不会起诉她。希拉里就是一点一点耗掉了所有好牌。但另一方面,这么好背景的女人也当不了总统,其他女人更没有机会了。
现实版“纸牌屋:高级战争”
科米的规则,扯淡的忠诚
很多喷这部片的评论说什么好莱坞白左 说什么黑川建国。拜托 大叔大婶,这部迷你剧改编自Comey写的《更高的忠诚》一书好伐。Comedy自己也参与了影片的制作。别的不说,FBI属司法部,分支在执行的总统刚上台就想拉拢FBI局长搞个人崇拜。Or in Trump's own words, "Loyalty." 那开国元勋想了半天的「三权」也别分立了,都归你川一个人管好了。这基本的底线都给狗吃了 你还捧他狗嘴里吐出的政策?Gimme a break.
有故意丑化的嫌疑
再次验证了,政治之下没有真正的真实,公布一个真实而掩盖另一个真实,在美国却能被“大义凛然”的个人英雄主义推卸成为“光明正大”的义举。影片努力的在宣扬在政治泥潮里个人的伟大,却忽视个人正是浑浊不堪泥潮的塑造者。
客观说,比纸牌屋更具真实感,更有代入感,更有趣和吸引人。
笑死了,旁观吃瓜就是爽。Jimmy演员有张温暖的老太太脸,像我奶奶。靠戏剧效果带节奏,条条数落川宝,唉,感觉民主党精算师及其拥趸拗得太难了,哈哈哈哈。爱尔兰老戏骨刚上来还有点生,没几分钟就惟妙惟肖了,赞。